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[LIFE] Dear Black Men: Let’s…Just…STOP

» 27 May 2010 »

I don’t know Steve Harvey. Or Jimi Izrael. Or Hill Harper. Or any of the “Very Smart Brothas.” And they don’t know me. Quite frankly, I’d like to keep it that way.

All of these black men have been capitalizing off the “tragic single black woman” meme that has gained steam in the past year or so, and all of them have regurgitated the same set of bullshit. The dressing may vary, but the meat of what they have to share is nearly identical. Their views can essentially be boiled down to “black women must change to fit alongside antiquated ideas of masculinity in order to get/keep a man.”

Seriously guys, enough is enough.

Let’s put aside the machismo and lunacy for a second and just talk about the fact that not every black man thinks the way you do. Yet you all choose to present your ideas as if all of you are in agreeance before the first shot is fired. To be fair, there are brothers who think this way, and (maybe) they deserve a voice. But not every black man in America was sitting around waiting for Steve and Jimi to write the great tomes of black manhood and dating, and then silently nod in agreement as they present their findings. To even suggest that most men think the way they do paints a picture that says they are the exception to these hard and fast rules that black women can’t afford to take a risk on. Black men who don’t abide by this traditional/outdated/disrespectful mold of manhood and masculinity are shut out of the conversation and treated as if we are a myth, like the Loch Ness Monster or Drake’s hairline.

All the while, the Jimi Izraels of the world continue to project their inanity and bitterness and insecurities on our behalf. Personally, I can’t stomach it any longer.

VerySmartBrothas.com recently published a post about why funny women find it difficult to find dates.

WHAT?!?!

If the author doesn’t like a woman who can make him laugh, then by all means, we all have our preferences. Maybe he doesn’t like sunshine, joy, or happiness. I’m fine with that. It becomes problematic when he says most men think the way he does. I don’t think that way and neither do any of the men I know. And I’ll bet Elin Wood’s divorce settlement that if you took a straw poll, the numbers would come back inconclusive.

But that’s because we’re different. There are no set guidelines to “catching” a black man. What these men are putting forth are very specific guidelines to be attractive to very specific black men: themselves. As insulting and couched in male privilege as it is for these men to tell black women how fucked up they are, it’s also highly offensive for them to feel they have the capacity to speak on behalf of men everywhere.

Dating is personal. Let’s keep it that way.

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  • http://twitter.com/Toyaisrandom Toya

    I can't tell you how happy I am to see that A MAN wrote this. All the articles that I have read concerning this have been by women. There is nothing wrong with that, I just think that we could all stand to hear a fresh perspective. Thanks. Signed A Funny Woman, Toya

  • http://twitter.com/ajlovesya Allison Jones

    This has been one of my concerns when this whole conversation got started–the assumption that all black men are simply sitting around beating their chests like Tarzan. It reinforces a monolithic and depressing portrayal of black manhood and masculinity that makes us all look weak.

  • Queen

    this whole debate makes me so tired. i'm single. i'm black. i'm a woman. i'm educated. i'm successful. for some reason these have all qualified me to be ineligible to date black men…wddda? this blurb, from a black man, is not only refreshing, it is sad. to think that someone actually has to say this is so difficult to believe. but alas some black man has to, and here it is. if only it weren't just drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the media propaganda. will the REST of the critically aware men, black or otherwise, please stand up and say something too?

  • http://twitter.com/godsonup GODSON

    This is a good post…I agree for the most part, but I think people like Steve Harvey and Hill Harper are speaking to a very specific set of issues that men and women face in relationships and particularly women, who do seem to ask the question quite often “Why can't I find a good man?” While I definitely do not think that Harvey and Harper can speak for the entire black male population I think that their message speaks to the set of issues that seem to be at the forefront of this debate. Let's be honest, they are constantly hearing from sista's that they can't find a man or that some sista's are giving up on black men and so on and so forth, this is there opportunity to add their two cents and make a couple dollars on the side, while doing it. This is capitalism at it's best!!!

  • GrownAzzMan

    Great Post! I have been saying for weeks (months? years?) that any universal dating advice is universally wrong. I also feel that those who buy, read, believe such get what they deserve. If you want to attract someone else figure out who you are. The work on being the best you that you can be. Then figure out what you want. Then make an effort to meet someone who has want you want and is looking for someone who has what you have. Problem solved…I should write a book.

  • Tenicia Brooks

    This is so on the money. Women have become so desperate for answers, and desperation breeds opportunity for these men to capitalize on their insecurities. If I hear one more woman tell me that “Steve said”, and that's why she is treating a man the way she is…these books, if used at all, are to be used as guides only. Cliff notes to dating a particular type of guy at best. And at the base of it all, profitable endeavors by the authors, so keep that in mind as you're running away a good guy b/c “Steve told you to”.

  • http://blackdiamond2008.blogspot.com ASmith

    I'm a little speechless.

    It's not that there are men out there who think this way. I know there are, because I know these same men personally.

    It's that somebody finally said it in a place as public as all the other places claiming the exact opposite.

    Bless you. This is all.

  • tigger500

    In fairness to VSB, the site is satirical

  • thefriendraiser

    love the observation…i didn't need a book to get me hitched! (6 yrs)

  • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

    Mychal,

    If you actually read “Why Funny Girls Finish Last” you'll see that it was merely a response to a question asked (by a woman) about dating difficulties “funny” women occasionally have. Nowhere did I say or even imply that I didn't appreciate a humorous woman, or that funny women needed to “change”. I just gave four reasons why some men might be turned off by an aggressively funny woman.

    Also, although my blog is named VerySmartBrothas, not everything I write is specifically addressed to black women. Some things, like how men and women have different relationships with humor, transcend race. I attempted to give my insight on a topic many other writers have already covered (ie: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007…)

    Anyway, if you look in our archives, you'll see that I give praise and props and take jabs and shots at everyone (including myself). From “Signs that He Aint Shit” to “21st Century Chivalry” (today's piece), we try to add a bit of levity and humor to the ubiquitous black relationship conversation. Sometimes we gotta sit back and laugh at ourselves to truly be able to move the discussion forward.

    I know that i'm becoming (somewhat) popular, and with that popularity comes more disagreement. That's fine. Next time though, chill with the hilariously uninformed drive-by commentary. You're trying to include me in your preconceived “anti-Steve, Jimi, and Hill” narrative, even though the pieces don't fit.

    Plus, It's intellectually lazy, and it makes it seem like you're doing the same panties pandering you're accusing me of.

    Best,
    The Champ

  • http://twitter.com/mychalsmith Mychal Smith

    I actually read it. A couple of times. I saw it was a response to a question. I still felt like what you were doing fell in line with the current narrative. Your archives could feature some other things. I was responding to “Funny Girls” post. I might check out these pieces later. But I'm intellectually lazy, so who knows.

    Also, fully aware that what I've written here could be seen as “panties pandering”, as it could be read that I'm trying to come off as an alternative that every woman should adore. People are entitled to their opinions. I know why I did it. That's all that matters to me.

    I stand by what I've written. You disagree. Cool.

  • arin

    as a woman, i tire of hearing how & what women should be. seriously, “funny is a man thing”? really? get over yourself. women have needed to ~cultivate~ their humor for centuries, because we're dealing with people like yourself, telling us what we are and aren't.

  • http://twitter.com/GoldenHoney72 Fulana Perez

    THANK YOU! A Black man finally speaks “on it.”

  • http://www.twitter.com/baddadanu BaddaDanU

    I guess I'm going to be the one to have to introduce an unpopular opinion here, so I'm prepared to go down in a hail of “boooos” if necessary.

    The fact of the matter is I'm tired of Black men taking all the heat we've been taking around the aforementioned “tragic Black woman meme”. To the best of my knowledge this subject, as a topic of discussion, didn't originate with Black men, the media or crafty white people creating issues for Black people to feel miserable about out of the ether. This originated with Black women's conversations around a subject that they clearly feel is very real to them… and I don't blame sistas for that one bit. Discuss whatever you please, however you feel, whatever is your reality. That's your right.

    But when that discussion evolves into a question of “why is this the way that it is?”, how do you justify shooting the messengers attempting to answer the question? Brothas have opinions too and, contrary to the belief of many women, are the best qualified to speak on their own feelings & part in this. So, because our opinions as Black men are varied and multidimensional does that mean that any individual expressing his opinion needs to STFU rather than risk contradicting another?

    Personally, I got no love for Steve Harvey, his book & opinions which (and this is just my personal take) is one of the WORST offenders when it comes to pimping this issue for profit and presenting one side as if it's the be-all-end-all on the topic. Jimi Izrael, I think is a brotha who makes some very good points but is overshadowed by an unshakable reputation as a misogynist. One earned, from my observation, by him expressing his truth with a candor that is rarely criticized when it comes from a woman speaking on male behavior. And Hill Harper just seems like a brotha wanting badly for sistas to understand & take seriously Black men's perspectives in the same way they demand that we take theirs.

    The “question” was posed and all I see is brothas stepping up to try to answer it. I mean, if the point was just to have women's perspectives regurgitated back to them… what's the point of even involving men in the conversation to begin with? Women express their perspectives freely EVEN WHEN they cross over into being gender-insensitive. It's their truth and they feel empowered, justified and free to express it. And I don't begrudge them that. So brothas can't have the same… why?

    Look… ladies, if you don't buy into this narrative and it doesn't affect your life then fine. Don't change. Do you. If that is working for you and is getting you what you want out of life then nobody's book, talk show or casual conversation is gonna snatch that from your grasp. But if it's not working and you find the question “why” to be a relevant one… for God's sake the least you can do is listen to the answers. (Answers… with an “s”. Men ARE varied & multifaceted. Anyone telling you different is selling something.)

    I know it must be annoying for many sistas to have a narrative/meme/topic floating around that you find inaccurate and that you feel does you a disservice as a woman, but trust me… as a man who grew up through a lifetime of “men are dogs”, “men only want one thing”, “men always cheat”, “men can't be trusted”, “men don't feel”, “men don't communicate”, “men are selfish by nature”, etc, etc, etc… I can sympathize.

  • http://www.OurElegantCeremony.com Kim Kirkley

    Here! Here! I marry kind, progressive, secure black men (and others) to kind, progressive, secure black women (and others) almost every week so I know what these guys are saying is a meme — enough of a few speaking for a whole group of individuals! Great post, Mychal.

  • http://twitter.com/mychalsmith Mychal Smith

    The problem is not that the question is being asked. Nor that anyone is answering. The problem lies in that a group of men, who represent a very specific thought process that may not be shared, are speaking on behalf of all men and saying that the problem lies with women and that men essentially do not have to change. There are women who do the same to men. Not saying that's right either. But these men have an argument couched in male privilege that says they do not have to change, the rest of the world bends to their will, while women must change who they are, and not only change, but fit into “traditional”/outdated roles of women in order for relationships to work. Not cool.

    How about this: how about two flawed people enter into a relationship, and together they learn and grow and help to make each other better? And if they can't do they, they move on and find someone find someone they can do those things with? Crazy idea, I know.

    It's the lack of self-examination/reflection that is damaging in this conversation. It's as if the men are assuming the position that they're already perfect and women need to do all the heavy lifting. That's dumb.

  • SassyNOLa

    i dont object to the conversation or men participating as much as i object to the fact that it isn't a conversation AT ALL. it's a bunch of little tyrants on blogs. that's wouldn't be a problem except for the fact that IT'S A BLOG. get a grip, sirs. get a grip.

    anywho, the problem is the tone. most of these men stand on their little podiums with their bullhorns, ripping women to shreds and then offering the “advice” to… basically have whatever personality, habits, likes/dislikes your man does. i offered the following on a blog a few months ago: “how about two flawed people enter into a relationship, and together they learn and grow and help to make each other better? And if they can't do they, they move on and find someone find someone they can do those things with? Crazy idea, I know.” these men said asked how i dare propose such a thing! i was told that i wasn't living in reality because the reality is that men have the advantage in dating and women basically need to line up to do as they're told because there is no incentive for men to change their behaviors. when i suggested that this was insulting to all men, including themselves, (re: notion that black men only behave or act honorably when forced), i was BITTER! really, people? telling women it's okay to let relationships happen naturally, be themselves, and take time to get to know people, and expecting honorable behavior from black men because for the most part, that's what i've experienced, i am unrealistic and bitter. sad ish, man. sad ish…

  • Franklin Stewart

    From your picture you look pretty young. Odds are you don't have much of a dating history and don't know what you're looking for in a woman. This very obvious article definitely sounds like some “panty pandering” to me. (And if you're not dating right now, ask yourself why you are single since you seem to be the perfect man.) Bashing other black dudes doesn't win you any prizes except among women who don't really like men in the first place. We need to explore how and why the single black female meme could even take hold. Is there any truth in it or is there a massive conspiracy against the black woman?

  • The Instigator

    Did you or Mychal Smith say: “how about two flawed people enter into a relationship, and together they learn and grow and help to make each other better? And if they can't do they, they move on and find someone find someone they can do those things with? Crazy idea, I know.” If you said it he stole your words. Fight, fight, fight!

  • Albert Hancock

    Thank you! Looks like the writer of this article and the people blindly echoing his point of view, if we can call it that, just got served!

  • Albert Hancock

    Thank you! Looks like the writer of this article and the people blindly echoing his point of view, if we can call it that, just got served!

  • SassyNOLa

    Lol- he said what was in quotes. no stealing of words. i said something similar. just pointing out that for some reason, a balanced/positive view is never accepted in this conversation and it's vilified coming from a woman. a necessity for a peaceful conversation is for the woman to have the lowest of self-esteem and bleakest of outlooks on dating. that just isn't my experience… which means i'm unrealistic. the fact that my reality my be different, but still valid, never occurs to these crazies. lol at your instigating (perfect name).

  • Albert Hancock

    Ignore my comment. Was meant as response to another post.

  • http://twitter.com/mychalsmith Mychal Smith

    *blank stare*

    seriously?

    no, seriously?

  • http://www.twitter.com/baddadanu BaddaDanU

    I don't remember any of them making an “ALL MEN FEEL THIS WAY” type of statement or any variation thereof. If they have and I missed it then I agree with you that they're out of line. At the same time, if a woman is so naive as to believe that ANY man can speak for ALL men with such blanket statements then she needs to work THAT issue out before delving deeper into any of the particulars anyway.

    And I'm fuzzy on the “male privilege” as it applies to the dating/mating game. What male privilege is this? In the workplace, the halls of government… yes, I see male privilege. But in DATING? No. An argument of “I don't have to change but you do” is easily countered by moving on to the next one and leaving that arrogant brotha/sista to try imposing their unrealistic expectations on someone else… and that holds true for both genders. To my mind just “not saying it's right” isn't enough. It's wrong on BOTH sides and THAT needs to be said.

    I'm all for compromise and mutual growth. But once again self-examination needs to take place on both sides. I refuse to wag my finger at these brothas without addressing the other side of the aisle with equal fervor. Nobody's claiming women need to do all the heavy lifting. But we hear 24/7 “What A Girl/Woman/Chilli Wants”. If men can't express their wants with the same freedom without being hit over the head with a politically correct billyclub, I'm calling shenanigans!

  • http://www.innyvinny.com/ InnyVinny

    Nice post. I applaud you because I don't see this viewpoint expressed too often…then again, I wholly avoid this black man/black woman relationship “issue” (which has become what seems to be a national crisis of some sort) because I think it's dumb. Really, really dumb.

    Can we all agree that any group (black men, black women, black people, orcs, polar bears, et. al.) are NOT a monolith? And that just because two or three happen to be saying similar things that they aren't necessarily reflective of an entire population? That would be awesome.

    =D

  • http://twiter.com/jedikj Peter Parker

    interesting post…outside of knocking on VSB for giving his own opinion on a question (that he's asked once a week, for 5 years).

    so what do you think the solution is…that fellas, essentially fall back from giving women advice, period?

  • Turkeymelt

    Wow, that funny women posts was one of the most repulsive, offensive things I've ever read. What do women even get out of relationships if they have to pretend to be dumb, personality free air heads in order to get a man? I know this isn't even true since I'm married to a guy who basically thought the same thing about that article, but I think the author ought to wonder what he could possibly offer to women if that's his attitude.

  • Queen

    Dear Mr. “The Champ”

    the problem with your article is that it is chuck full of woman-degrading, self-hating, narrowly opinionated nonsense. You don't like women, because they are TOO funny, and you don't like yourself, because you are not funny ENOUGH. Get over it already. Now I am not asking you to do anything major here like cite sources like we have to do in graduate school, but I think the point here is that YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL MEN, or some men, or a large group, maybe a few possibly…

    It is sad that you would use a discourse of what you think 'most men' think to further marginalize any woman, black, white, or whatever. i am glad that at least one man out of many men doesn't appreciate your article, and spoke up about it.

    it's okay that you have an opinion, but you insinuated to speak for some, or a lot of men, when most likely, as smart as you are (and i appreciate that), this came out of your own head. you didn't poll any men, you just spoke for them and punctuated your article with a strong distaste for yet another wonderful quality that some women possess. it is a bit sexist, okay, a A LOT sexist, but if that is YOU that's you, not a possible standard for people to start thinking is REAL, and as a WRITER you have a certain level of journalistic and literary responsibility here. you can say what you want, but please believe we are going to talk back to you… :o )

  • Queen

    Did he just bash another black dude for bashing another black dude? WOW. That is TALENT! (and it made my head hurt.

  • Queen

    What was this actually in response to? Please not the comments by Franklin. Please. Say it ain't so.

  • Queen

    “don't remember any of them making an “ALL MEN FEEL THIS WAY” type of statement or any variation thereof. If they have and I missed it then I agree with you that they're out of line. At the same time, if a woman is so naive as to believe that ANY man can speak for ALL men with such blanket statements then she needs to work THAT issue out before delving deeper into any of the particulars anyway.”

    Dear “BaddaDanU”

    I appreciate you not remembering, but you won't really find it. It is not what folks say, at times, it is what they DON'T say, and what they chuck off as some sort of common knowledge. pervading discourse about various groups of people is why rascism, sexism, homophobia, an various other types of discrimination and prejudice exist. Whether it is wrong or right, stupid or ignorant, folks believe certain types of knowledge, because a lot of people believe it. Now, i won't directly comment on how you just tried to act like women are the only people on the earth who have issues in believing what they hear and attributing those beliefs to a whole group of people *side eye*, I will say that it is a human problem- there are folks that believe that 'all blacks', 'all latinos' and as recently as your post 'any woman who…needs to do…' are something or the other, or that they have some sort of issue. that shit is not okay. this is one part of the discourse where we need to actively need to dispel myths: all black women aren't this, and all black men, or who the hell ever, aren't that…and this is precisely what the writer of this original post aimed to do. (and yes, we agree on that point.)

    I won't even go into the male privilege in dating piece. you just need to read up on that. seriously.

  • Queen

    Here is a bit on CDA: Language is POWER!

    (when your moms told you to watch your mouth, she really meant that shit)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_discourse…

  • Sarah

    Wow. I think it's really interesting how some of the men commenting here feel the need to discipline you back into more appropriate masculine behaviors. You're “pantie pandering.” You're just a kid (because grown men are wise enough to embrace male privileged?). And you probably can't get many women anyway. They did everything but tell you you run like a girl. I just love how calling out sexism is “pandering” to women. Because there is no other reason to do it, right? (Besides, I'm sure there much easier ways to get laid than critiquing patriarchy.)

    Anyway, I enjoyed reading your thoughts. But that's probably just since you were pandering to me…

  • Only The Tall Shall Survive

    Soul clap! I read VSB from time to time for giggles, but that particular post fell flat and I was offended by the false bravado the piece gave off. That's my opinion. He's got his, I've got mine. There is peace in the valley.

  • http://www.twitter.com/baddadanu BaddaDanU

    Sounds like you DON'T believe any woman who believes one man can speak for all men needs to work that out before going further. I can no more co-sign that opinion than I can assigning words & thoughts to those who have neither spoken nor demonstrated them. So we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.

    But feel free to offer any links, references… something useful… so that I can read up on that male privilege in dating. You're clearly better informed on this point than I.

  • http://twiter.com/jedikj Peter Parker

    “But these men have an argument couched in male privilege that says they do not have to change, the rest of the world bends to their will, while women must change who they are, and not only change, but fit into “traditional”/outdated roles of women in order for relationships to work. Not cool.”

    i'm not seeing how this is male privilege.

  • Anonymous

    The point you are making is clear and perfectly understandable. But, you are barking up the wrong tree by including The Champ and Very Smart Brothas with the rest of the people you mentioned. If you are familiar with his work, instead of pandering and putting down, he tends to be satirical and self-deprecating. In fact, there might not be another black male on the internet who touches on black relationship issues with the type of humor and understanding he consistently presents (which is probably why he's arguably the most popular).

    He even wrote a satire a month ago about the Nightline piece you refered to: http://www.verysmartbrothas.com/the-transcript-…

    Granted, he's written approximately 300 different articles on that site, so some times he might miss the mark. The “funny” wasn't one of my favorites, but I get where he was coming from with the different ways different genders respond to humor. Also, if you read more of his work, he's written extensively about how he loves women with a sense of humor, and talks about how much he admires Angela Nissel and Tina Fey and many other very “funny women” dozens of times.

    I'm defending him here because as an inspiring writer myself, I hate to see another person's work misunderstood and taken the wrong way, especially someone who for all intents and purposes is on your side. It is rather ironic that on the same day he writes a piece about practicing chivalry AND gets criticized by some men saying that chivalry is out of touch and silly, some women over here are calling him a misogynist. You can't win for losing, it seems.

  • The Real Queen

    Shut the fuck up Bassey. Everybody is sick of your delusional, child neglecting, unstable, no man having, insecure, should be institutionalized ass always having to be up in the middle of everything. Don’t you have something else to do other than being a silly, bucktooth Stan?

  • http://www.twitter.com/baddadanu BaddaDanU

    Not replying “pro” or “con” in regards to your comments except to say the term “panty pandering” is classic! Stealing it… because it goes on way too often and it needs a name!

  • SaneN85

    Okay, I really do appreciate your point of view, and wish more men would take that same POV on. That said, I also do not feel that Champ should have been thrown into this in the way he has. I'm a pretty regular lurker (sometimes commenter) on VSB, and it's quite true that the fellas over there regularly call out the articles that tend to place blame on women for the SBW syndrome. I may not have agreed with the reasoning that wals pointed out for why men don't like single women, but I am sure that a large number of men probably fit into one of those categories. In other words, Champ presented his opinion on possible answers to a question he was asked.

    I just feel that if you were to go back and read some of the archive posts on the site, you would have a clearer picture of why the post was written, and the context behind it.

  • LK

    I have to go with the Champ on this one. I've been redaing his (and Panama's) stuff for almost a year now, and have gone back in the archives, and he goes at men AND women. And trust, many women ask for his advice, he gives it, and its usually right on the money. Champ gave an opinion about why women who are funny may have a hard time finding a man, not that men hate funny women; or if you're funny, stop, so you can be fulfilled by a man. Your post feels like you got mad about an issue and grabbed anything to prove your point — not a good look :

  • LK

    lol, * reading

  • Jamie

    VSB is great for sh*ts and giggles and thats about it. All the general advice is just that. It's not a holy grail for dating, and shouldn't be seen as such. I see what Mychal is talking about, even though all your articles may not be written in such a self serving manner. Some of the articles on VSB scream “I'm a man and I'm very insecure so tailor yourself to cater to my needs”.

  • Jamie

    If nothing else, the line “dating is personal, let's keep it that way” is so true it's amazing that few people see it! It seems everyone is drowning themselves in relationship advice and not looking inside themselves to see who they are, so that they can find a mate to compliment that. All this “change everything about you and then you will find a mate” is probably one of the reasons the divorce rate is so damn high.

  • Jamie

    Amen brotha!!!!

  • Jamie

    Yea, the problem with that is, people are contacting them for actual advice. That in itself is not a good look.

  • Jamie

    SMH

  • Jamie

    Have to disagree with you there. Age and wisdom are not mutually exclusive. Universal dating is a bad idea and people need to stop depending on random bloggers and dating books. Dating is personal and no one man or one woman can tell a whole group how it's done.

  • http://mika323.wordpress.com/ Mika

    Anon, I completely agree with your comment. VSB definitely should not be included in this article, especially with only one post being the example. As a “funny chick” I actually had no problem with that post. Many of my male friends have told me they do not appreciate funny women. They tend to want women to laugh at their jokes, but make none of our own. Even so, this doesn't make me a “tragic single black woman” at all. There are plenty of men who love funny women, and the others just become homeboys.

  • nony

    Then posts like VSB's should be predicated with 'personal preference' not touted as “What men/black men want”. Which kinda goes back to Mychal's post…..

  • http://twitter.com/GemoftheOcean M-squared

    as a single, black, educated (phd on deck!), fun/funny woman whose future aspirations include marriage and kids one day, i take all relationship advice with a grain of salt. be it from a “relationship expert”, my mother, my married friends, women at my church, or my male coworkers. because what is for ME is for ME, and my journey to a healthy, loving relationship is one that will be unique and unpredictable like others before me.

    that said–i am not offended or outraged by the VSB “funny girls” post, nor am i inclined to take the defensive “angry black woman” stance that so often puts us in the “why this sista isn't datable” category. it's just not that serious. why do people think it's so unthinkable for some one to point out POSSIBLE reasons that SOME men MAY not be attracted to “funny” girls?! some of us take ourselves so seriously that we believe its deplorable for some one (i.e. the champ) to site probable deal-breakers/reservations some men may have about some women. as if women are the only ones with long laundry lists of things they want (and don't want) in a man.

    i find nothing about the champ's “funny girls” post off base. because i've heard the same types of things before– most of my male friends are all too happy to list reasons as to why i don't have a man and why certain “types” of men don't get along with me. whether i like it or not, i appreciate getting the “inside scoop” into how men think. does this mean i'm going to change who i am to fit any given man's mold? no, it just makes for good practice in dating.

    so…. i say ALL that to say, women and men often speak 2 different languages and it's nice to have some one clear the lines of communication. as an avid VSB reader, i appreciate that VSB is OPEN to discussion on their posts and allow their readers to chime in with their “2 cents”. not everyone agrees and it's GREAT! VSB doesn't claim to be a “how to change black women to be the 'marrying' type” blog. like anyone else, they offer their opinions about dating (and everything else) one scenario at a time. how else will men and women understand each other if they aren't willing to be transparent and honest?

  • Mrs. Black Woman

    I think that's a bit of a cop-out. The posts may be delivered in a comical way- but they are presented as representatives of dudes true feelings on particular subject. People then go on to debate them in the comments section- surely all of this isn't satire? Folks really feel certain ways.

    Claiming the posts are only 'satire' is a cheap way to avoid the fall back from whatever is proclaimed in particular piece. In my opinion, that's a perfect example of intellectual laziness.

  • Mrs. Black Woman

    “i'm not seeing how this is male privilege.”

    LOL- irony.

  • http://tigger500.typepad.com Tyler

    Just because people don't know that it's satirical doesn't mean that it is not in fact satirical. VSB can't control how people take what they write. If there are people coming to VSB to get “real answers” to dating questions, then those people are profoundly misguided and should probably check themselves. There is no way any sane, rational, moderately intelligent person can read VSB and not see that it's completely ridiculous.

  • http://tigger500.typepad.com Tyler

    They are not presented as representatives. What they are doing is no different than what Chris Rock or Jon Stewart are doing, which is finding the humor in assumptions. Sometimes what they say may be true for a lot of men and sometimes it may not be. But seriously, if you can't see that the site is satirical and meant to disarm people who think they can find the answers to any kinds of relational interactions on a website, then I think that says more about you than it does about VSB's writing.

  • Nina

    At no point did the VSB post say this is what YOU should do. I'm a new reader of VSB, and have enjoyed perusing the archives for entertainment. I think that is lost of many people. Enjoy the writing for what it is…entertainment. Use it to start discussions with friends. I think that because of the other authors and so-called relationship experts, many of “us” have become way too sensitive when any relationship talk comes up. If one man gives his opinion on how he or some of his friends might feel, why lump him with those that seem to want the title of “relationship expert/life coach”. Panama and The Champ write about so many topics and overall are entertaining, thought-provoking, and have provided many a conversation starter for me. I think those seeking advice for their lives might be better served by considering why they would take comic relief as a suggestion to change their ways.

  • http://survivingdating.com/?p=1182 Cimone Clark

    Mr. Smith, you and author Deborrah Cooper think alike on this issue. She wrote a scathing article on the subject to retaliate against the Steve Harvey type thinking you describe entitled “The Cons of Marriage – Why Women Should Not Get Married” at the link below. In it she broke down the fantasies women have of marriage, the realities of marriage, what men expect, how it affects women long-term, and why women should rebuke the notion that something is wrong with them just because they aren't married at 30!!! I loved it and think you two should connect. She does a show on BlogTalk. I've sent her a note and suggested that she have you on as a guest. :)

  • http://presidentialtelevisionandfilm.ning.com Monk

    Yeah, what she said.

  • http://twitter.com/mychalsmith Mychal Smith

    Bassey didn't write that, so….yeah.

  • Southernbelle

    It's “chock-full” not chuck full.

  • kay

    This back-n-forth is nonsense! VSB is great and I saw nothing wrong with the women/funny piece. I am funny. LOL, sarcastic, in your face, foul-mouthed, funny and the champ is on point. I always get marginalized as “one of the fellas” cuz I think guys never want to date me be they'd line up to watch the fight with me. I'm married now and I feel like sometimes I have to bite my tongue with some stuff cuz even he is like, “really?” So to VSB, hatin' on you means they reading you so enjoy all the hype! LOL! TO the haters- there is a blog for everyone and if VSB ain't your thing, find another blog that will make you feel good about yourself so that you will never be compelled to change or to call you out and look at your own shit up-close. Deuces!

  • The Truth

    dwight & dwayne may be very smart brothers perhaps on occasion, but they are also DECIDEDLY facially challenged. Between not being able to keep a woman and having spawned (oowedlock!!!) one of the fugliest simones to crawl the face, those two deserve our pity — not our censure.

  • SassyNOLa

    eww- VSB is sending out groupies. i just remembered why i stopped reading blogs. commenters become stans really quickly and, unfortunately for vsb and many other blogs, you're only as good as your comments sections. if your blog attracts intelligent people who have a discussion, great. if your writing attracts thoughtful comments and reactions, great. if your blog attracts stans, groupies, and those who feel stupid in real life and need to overcompensate online, you should kill yourself… or at least your blog. i mean, if these are the people who LOVE your writing… doesn't that say something? i'm just sayin…

  • Sneed

    I don't get it. So you saying they're wrong for giving women advice based on their opinion and you're right….for giving advice to women based on your opinion?? You kinda just sound like a hatter to me bro…

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